someone please show me where the watchtower society has stated, in cases of serious sin, the rule that requires "two witnesse" to the event or act!
at best, one or two witnesses are preferred!
period ... but if there are no witnesses, then other evidence can be presented to witnesses or the elders.
i have now find my 1983 book, and it is clear, in this they dont say anything about this 2 or 3 wineses as we see from the topic from above.
Inn his time we have the special elderbok who i no longer have, but sure this trhead show, that the 2 and 3 wittnes roule is not in the 82 version, why?
someone please show me where the watchtower society has stated, in cases of serious sin, the rule that requires "two witnesse" to the event or act!
at best, one or two witnesses are preferred!
period ... but if there are no witnesses, then other evidence can be presented to witnesses or the elders.
Inn the book from 1968 it say, it is not inaf widh one witneses, bibel demand us it must be 2or 3, if we have ony one wittneses no akt can be done, site 176.
Inn the bok from 1972 like this:If something shall be abel to say this is the truhth we must have at least 2 or 3 wittneses, 1Tim 5:19. 5 Mos 19:15 .Hebr 10:28
If we have ONLY ONE WITTNESES WE DO NOTHING,
I must say i am a littel disturbd about this, i be an elder forom 1980 to 1999, and never we talk about this, this was not a bigg issu, I think this Pedofil issu have take us widh surprise, this biblel based rule didnt work in this case.
And our belife that dont go to the wordley courts, is also only in smaler things as i understand it.
this abuse things is very tricky thing, we must have some form of evedense, in Sweden the goverment fore just a few days ago chaandge this , they say, we can ot do anything if we dont have any form of evedense, this after some famus case where children was lying and later say they remeber wrong, it have cost the state a lot of money to pay out to this fadhers who was innocent, and be in jail fore more than two years. This show how comlicated this issu is, very happy to not be abny elder any more , who have to solved this things out.
someone please show me where the watchtower society has stated, in cases of serious sin, the rule that requires "two witnesse" to the event or act!
at best, one or two witnesses are preferred!
period ... but if there are no witnesses, then other evidence can be presented to witnesses or the elders.
perhaps i can answer this.
i have a book ,your word is a lamp to my foot, printed 1967.
I ths book they have this two wittneses roul site 175-177.
also in the book preatching and teatching in peace and unity, you have this roul, printed 1960,so i think this is an old thing, this two books do you have when you was baptised
i find this very intresting remark in an old wt , from 1957,, it qestiond follows, is it cristian to criticise other religions ?.
well the answer is very intresting, .
if the religius peopel in the cristianity is spititul whellthy, they have nothing against chritisism, .
I find this very intresting remark in an old WT , from 1957,, it qestiond follows, Is it Cristian to criticise other religions ?
Well the answer is very intresting,
If the religius peopel in the cristianity is spititul whellthy, they have nothing against chritisism,
THE TRUTH CAN INN ALL TIMES STAND AGAINST THE LIE AND WINN WICTORY OVER IT.
>Perhaps the GB have forget this?
when i read what happend some here who criticize JW, this seems littel confusing
So if we are spirutaly whellthy sure we can take critizism.
perhaps i must mail brooklyn about this??????
this may have been a topic before on the board.
it would be suprising if anyone else as not thought of this.. with regards to the 5 governing body members who have been named as child abusers.
would ray franz be able to confirm these aligations?
That was heavy stuff Bill, but i belive you, what about all nocie when you send this letter to the GB telling them that they are apostates, do you have some understanding fore hillary stepp fore exampel, who say this was an strategick misstake?
Whats your goal widh this statment?
I must say i admire your currige in this issu, myself i have seen some very bad things when i was a littel boy, never can take this upp, to much to lose, and to much peopel will suffer.
i read a long diffent topics about this on thucstone board who is a JW board, so I understand that this is upp to discuss, among us. I have also tell a lot here in sweden, but i dont think it is so much of this abuse here.
greetings from sweden.
talk to any jw and they are convinced that not only do they posses the truth, but it is the only truth and nothing but the truth.
talk to born-again christians and they are convinced that god hears their prayers, they've got it right and jw's are wrong for not believing in the trinity.
then we have the mormons.
This is a intresting topic, we was reading in our Wt studie last sunday, that we can not tell who shall live, we are not the judges, (perhaps some nice guy writh this )
To be honest i dont reckognice the oppinon from severla here, that we say only we shall live, perhaps it is a littel diffrense from Us and europe in this, or who it is told by our elders, seems to mee you have some very nasty elders in US cong.
If new born Ch have the truth we must have a unbelevebel lord, who try to fire upp peopel who dont want to bee Bor again C, and send the rest to walk on streets i heaven.
I have never understand these peopel who are very angry on JW saying we are cruel when we say jehova will fix things in harmaggedon, when they themselfs think the lord will burn peopel fore ever. littel to much dubbel talk fore mee, or hypocrasy.
Myself I have always think jesus and jehova is loving and will do evrything to the best, use to argu widh several Co about this , perhaps not so easy this times, i think some want to do us to a new jones sekt, obey , and obey, to evrything. I dont think so many jW love this .
All this is hope, we dont now anything fore sure, do we?
i just went to the lunchroom and say my hood on tv here in md.
they got cops everywhere, called up some folks who are home todayand yep the police is everywhere.
they picked up a lady to question and they are searching for a guy with what appears to be a gun bag, he was seen running from near one of the schools in my hood.
Well boys, we must bee in the end of times , musn`t we?
I think you have going from door to door telling peopel this wil happend, many years, memory is short boys.
If you want peace, you now where the kingdom hall is.
only some nice addvise from happy man, who is on joking humour this night.
many of you already know my real name.i'm the one whose experience was published in the sep 8 1994 awake mag.
i would like to stress that although i have good reason to be angry and bitter, nothing i say here is said in anger but only in sadness.
i write this to say that if i could take back many of my words i said in that experience , i would.
hello ELON.
I must ask you what hapend who make you change uyour oppinon like this, i just read your story in WT, and it was amazing, fore me this international brotherhood is very important, i remeber reading something about treagikal thing happend i NZ, but i dont remember what, whas thia thing happend to your son , the reason that you leave JW?
When you say all this acusations, have you personaly expirienses who show this, or wat is your proof?
I have seen some myself, when my son was dfd, but i am still inn, ans my son is back and inn after 2 years of struggling.
sending you my warmest regards from Sweden
i have read a lot her about this issu, and it is always end upp in year we have said that something perhaps will happend, and thats not so good ofcourse, even if the gissipels ask jesus will your kingdom come in this itime, so some was waiting fore this, was they wrong now, nothing say that, but i agree it is not good fore the reputaition of the name of jehova.. something you never tell is that what i think is the most important in the religion is not this waiting fore the end.. it is the bigg unike thing fore jw, where are we when we are dead, answer sleeping, waiting fore the .
resurruection.
as we now the other religion say , hell or heaven, bigg diffrence.. number two, jehova is only one ,jesus is hes son, who shall give us blessing in the kingdom on earth, als0 very unik.. number three is that we belife name of the lord is <jehova, very unik, and important.. we have some more things, but this things who you can say are seperating us from the rest of diffrent religions, and this have never been change.
paduan
you must miss this in my first post.
And that Christ will be our king and help us truh our dificulties.
i have read a lot her about this issu, and it is always end upp in year we have said that something perhaps will happend, and thats not so good ofcourse, even if the gissipels ask jesus will your kingdom come in this itime, so some was waiting fore this, was they wrong now, nothing say that, but i agree it is not good fore the reputaition of the name of jehova.. something you never tell is that what i think is the most important in the religion is not this waiting fore the end.. it is the bigg unike thing fore jw, where are we when we are dead, answer sleeping, waiting fore the .
resurruection.
as we now the other religion say , hell or heaven, bigg diffrence.. number two, jehova is only one ,jesus is hes son, who shall give us blessing in the kingdom on earth, als0 very unik.. number three is that we belife name of the lord is <jehova, very unik, and important.. we have some more things, but this things who you can say are seperating us from the rest of diffrent religions, and this have never been change.
Hello old friend happy to here from you.
I understand your point of wuie, but you must belive me, i have never put any trust in this diffrent days GB tell us about, I use to argu widh diffretn Co about his, we never now the day, and if you putt trust in this, your belife is hangin on wrong things, and ofcourse you will lose you faith if it not happend.
Most important fore me is the answer we have on why we are here , whats the purpuse, the end i think we never have to think so much on, jehova have his day, and we have to wait fore that.
hej d whindy
